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07/28/18 02:14 PM #23    

Samuel (Bob) West

Dan, thank you so much for your insights and opinions, they are wonderful to read. I wish you the best in your spritual quest.  As for me, I have become more liberal as I grow older. I am still a conservative on issues of economics, but on social issues I am far to the left. I live in the Redest county in Texas and am a miniority as to my political beliefs. On spritual matters I have come to look down on religion per se, but look up to people who are Christian and put their efforts to help others above their words.  It is amusing to those that know me that I belong to a Presbyterian church, while at the same time looking down my nose at theology. But, the people there have helped me find a lot of peace.  To  people that grew up in Borger, Texas I think we found faith at an early age just to survive that place, and most learned to lean on, lift up their class mates and be a part of something other than themselves.. Not to make light of anyone suffering from depression, but it has helped me to look in the mirror, and at my age feel how good it is to see a reflection of a live human being looking back. Please take care of yourself and keep sending your knowledge to the rest of us. I look forward to your new book and hope it is published soon. Bob West

 


09/10/18 02:44 PM #24    

Leonard Vance Moxom

no,we are moving forward in recovery,with new and rewarding markets.

 


09/11/18 11:26 AM #25    

Samuel (Bob) West

Dan.  My definition of victims is simple. Probably too simplistic. The holocost, stroke, ms, alzheimers, heart failure, drug addicition, psychopaths. The list is endless of the tradegy imposed on people beyond their control. As is the will of the majority imposed upon the minority. Physically and economically.

A child born in poverty and of a minority race (which we whites are becoming) is a victim.

I disagree with your sunday school collegues opinion about the bible having all the answers. That is hogwash to me.  The bible did not cure polio or leporsy, nor does it prevent nature or mankind from very distructive acts. 

I do not believe in a literal interpretation of that book. Anything written by any man is flawed to some degree. (shades of Winfred Moore and First Baptist Borger haunt my memory where we were taught dominoes, card games and dancing were from the devil and not approved of in the Bible, although where in that book I could not locate). As you can probably guess I am not an evangelical.

Are we victims in the United States? Not when we have the power to change our systems. Are we ignorant or lazy to allow abuse? Probably. Victims, no.  We choose and it is not imposed on us. 

Are we self de-structive? Observation and history indicates we are.

Baseball and apple pie won;t beat Atom Bombs, populations disparities, or ignorance. If we are too lazy, dumb or crazy to pay attention and not elect intelligent, moral people to govern us, we are not victims, We are suicidal.

Glad I lived in the time period I did. We had it easy. Maybe that is our problem.

Thanks for being our classmate, our brain power and spokesman. Bob West

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your outlook and questions. You make us think.  Bob West


09/14/18 07:48 PM #26    

 

Jimmie Darrell Brown

Our !958 classmate, Richard Bostick's, basic personality can best be described as consistent, mild, polite to all, and friendly. .Always smiling, happy, and glad to see, and visit with everyone who came in contact with him. He never said a discouranging word. Never prone to gossip. Never showed anger. Never was in a bad mood.

I will always treasure the moments in we shared in conversation of our travels, occupations, and families.

The world would be a much better place if all persons possessed and consistently displayed the posirive personality atttibutes of our classmate and friend Richard Bostick.

I feel blessed that he was a part of my life.

Richard Bostick will be missed.


10/31/18 01:38 PM #27    

 

Kenneth Cunningham

Dan -

Don't change anything.  Do it your way and they will learn something.  Be sure to send out the web site for the documents.

Kenneth


03/23/19 09:37 AM #28    

 

Jimmie Darrell Brown

Very sad to hear of the passing of Elgie Seamster. He was a wonderful happy person. Always smiling and friendly to everyone.


06/21/19 07:46 AM #29    

 

Charles Boyd

Dan,

My Messiah is Jesus!!!  Donald Trump was a client of mine, a great client, but I do not see him as a Messiah.  Let me share with you about my firms experience with Donald Trump.  We did a a project for him that was on the Missippippi River just North of the Arch.  It was a large hotel and inculded a conference center.  Architects who work with developers have a dilemna when the projects do not happen.  When the projects do not happen there is usually a battle to receive 50% of the Architectural fee for the work done.  The problem on our project was that the city council in St. Louis had a bigger ego than Mr. Trump (I know it is hard to believe but that was the case) and they kept adding infrastructure to his project to the extent that it was no longer a feasible project.  Trump said thanks but no thanks and left.  However, he thanked us for a good job and paid the entire fee without even being hounded about it.  Was he a hard and demanding client, yes but we like hard clients because they tell you what they want, then all you have to do is provide it for them.  The clients who drive us nuts are those who cannot tell us what they want.  I believe that his goal of "Making America Great Again" goes to his understanding of business.  Without a douibt, America is the greatest country the world has ever known.  What made America great and is making it great again is the business climate in our country and the way that that business has impacted not only America but the world!  That is something that Donald Trump knows and understands.  Combine that with his daily bible studies at the White House and you have an unbeatable combination of work with spiritual guidance.  I pray for him and our Nation every day!!!  He is no Messiah, but I do believe that God has chosen him to lead us during these hard times, just like he used Churchill in World War II to lead England and the world.  

Your Indian in Jesus,

Chief


06/21/19 05:25 PM #30    

 

Jimmie Darrell Brown

Charles (Chief) Boyd,

Regarding your statements of your Messiah and President Donald John Trump.....Well said!


07/03/19 05:17 PM #31    

Samuel (Bob) West

Dan your intelect and as one of the premier historians in the U.S.make it difficult and intimidating to express opinions, but since you asked here are a couple of mine.

Growing up in Borger made me very resistant to people who tried to tell me what I should do, think, believe or who tried to bend me to their will or to dominate me..

As to messiahs I never personaly met one.  I especially avoid and distrust politicians.

An old story, but it expresses my belief.

A man took his son to the wise elder of the village and ask if there was a way to know what his son would become as an adult. The wise man said he had a perfect test . He put up three tables and one one he placed a dollar bill, on another a Bible, and on the last a glass of whiskey.He told the father to put his son in front of the tables and that the one his son went to would indicate his future. If he picked up the dollar he wotld be a businesman, conserrvative and perhaps wealthy. If he choose the Bible he would be deeply religious and maybe a member of the clergy. If he chose the whiskey he would be a ner do well, lacking in moral standards and bring a lot of grief to those around him.

The son approached the table. Picked up the dollar and put it in his pocket, put the Bibe under his arm, picked up the whiskey and drank it.The wise man said " on no, he is going to be a politician"

I haven't seen a lot to change my opinion over the years. Our presidents since Eisenhower have not shown me much. :Lyndon gave us Vietnam, and inspite of a lot of very brave men, inclufding classmates and my good friend Digger O'Dell, we lost a lot of good people for nothing. Bush gave us the Mid East and that is still costing us. So I am somewhat jaded.

As to race I remember  when our school was integrated. Issac Robinson came out for football and he was one of the best on our team. On our way to El Paso to play a game we stopped in Portales NM for dinner. Issac was refused service and asked to leave the restaurant. We all got up and walked out with him. The owner could not change his mind quick enough and asked us all to come back. That was the day I understood the color green was more powerful than black, and that sticking up to what was fair was worth the effort.

Our class has had many outstanding and successful men and women. We also have had or share of less shining stars.One of my good childhood friends died in prison. So we have a mix of people top to bottom.

But, lets not speak bad of the dearly departed.

How to make America Great Again?  I don't believe that putting the wealth of our nation in the hands of the top 2 or 3% will get us close. Mexico did that for years and years and never did get Great Again, nor has any country with a small or weak middle class been very great.

I thnk that over the years our country has produced some great leaders in times of crisis but not messiahs, they are outstanding but still human with the same weakness we all have, so I don't worship them, or put them on pedestals, I   have deep respect for them and thanks for what they have done, but if our country evers starts thinking about kings or annointments by God we are in real trouble.

I think what made Borger good was the friendships developed. Friends are there and alway reach out with no questions asked. We all have them and that is one of the most important things we can posses.. When we reach out to help others as best we can, everyone becomes greater. Sounds corny I guess but the friends I am lucky to have helped me and still do. Haven't seen any messiahs get up close and personal.

Now I have shown by limited intelligence, but do appreciate you very much. Bob West

 

 


10/01/19 10:19 AM #32    

 

Robert Poston

Dan,

Looking forward to your book, which is enroute. Thanks for your sharing and insight.

Best to you and your family.

Bob Poston


04/01/20 02:33 PM #33    

 

Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Banana bread would be a good use for all those bananas! I only buy two bananas at a time, because I like them fairly green and more than two get too ripe for me before I can get them eaten. In fact, lots of times I choose only a perfect one and eat it in the car on the way home!

Thanks for the good story, Dan!!

Edith


04/01/20 03:29 PM #34    

Carmen Evans (Lewis)

Dan, I agree with Edith.  And I have a very good banana bread recipe which my good friend Julie Lauritzen shared with me in 1998.  I will send it to you. Try it sometime and then enjoy it.  

Our neighbors and friends as well as my Mah Jong group, card group and book club group love this bread.  

Our granddaughter ate our second to last slice just a little while ago as she loves it.   Brittani and I will be making pumpkin bread this afternoon because our bananas are not yet ripe enought to be used in said recipe.

 

 

 

 


04/01/20 08:14 PM #35    

 

Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Dan, I should add that I never make banana bread or any other kind, but when I tell people I only buy two bananas because otherwise they get too ripe for me, they always suggest banana bread!

 


04/02/20 01:34 PM #36    

Lorean Holloway (Thompson)

banana pudding made from scratch in microwave in 8 minutes ---delivered to people in jail (quarantined) .Thanks to truck drivers and farmers we still have milk and butter to make this.  


06/18/20 01:27 PM #37    

 

Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Dan, I guess I'm surprised that someone said that about you. I've always thought you communicated very well, if a bit above my understanding in some instances! To illustrate, I'm am relating a story about my son which I think corresponds with your communication skills. Michael was an extremely talented and knowledgeable computer technician. Actually, he is the one that got our class web site set up originally and gave it such unique qualities that we still enjoy, even though it is now hosted on a different platform. One day, my brother-in-law, asked him a question about something to do with computer issues. When Michael replied to him in his usual fashion (and I do mean usual), Porter responded, "Michael, I do appreciate you answering my question, but I really just wanted a simple answer, not a doctoral dissertation!" All of us who ever asked Michael a computer question, expecting a simple answer, felt the same way as Porter did with his response!!

 


10/01/20 06:53 PM #38    

Audrey Ochs (Powell)

I'm just anxious for the answers.  I always enjoy your "ponderings"!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


10/01/20 08:51 PM #39    

 

Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Donald Trump said only I can fix it and that carmage was the critical issue.

John F Kennedy affirmed that our benefits and rights come not from the state but from God.


11/19/20 11:03 AM #40    

Audrey Ochs (Powell)

Thanks  Dan.  I agree!!

 


11/20/20 09:47 AM #41    

 

Robert Kenimer

Dan,  You are right on.  Thanks


01/03/21 07:31 AM #42    

 

Charles Boyd

Dan,

Looking forward to your first book.  Your Indian in Jesus, Chief

 


01/16/21 11:34 AM #43    

John Wilkinson

Dan thanks for your words.

Jesus said, "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." I haven't seen any evidence of Mr. Trump embracing truth or nurturing his dormant soul. So his future wouldn't likely include much joy.


03/19/21 07:54 AM #44    

John Wilkinson

Dan, very thought provoking post.  Clearly Judas and the younger priest in the movie had an open door to their heart for Satan to walk through.  I feel that the young man who killed the sex workers in Atlanta also had an open door


08/11/21 09:20 AM #45    

 

Charles Boyd

Dan,

I think part of what is happening in the Church (mostly in the denominational Churches) is their reluctance to comment on the the politics of the day.  It is like they do not acknowledge that God put those in D.C. giving them governance of our Nation.  Satan is running rampant today but the true eklesia, the true Church, those who believe in Jesus and his saving grace, is starting to fight back.  Why do I not hear from the pulpit condemnation of the open southern border which allows COVID and criminals into our country, ships them to our neighborhoods all over the country then helps them with housing etc all with our dollars!  Why are they now hocking my children and grandchildren's future by spending money that they will have to pay back.  Is it greed or just stupidity?  Probably it is both!  My charge is the same to love Jesus and to love people.  That means I must consider life as precious and sacred as God does, hence I am against abortion, even if am forced to pay for it with my tax dollars.  Why do we send money to other countries to fund abortions - our stupidity in D.C. is reaching heights I would never have ever thought possible back in 50's when I started paying taxes and social security.  But my faith in Jesus tells me that America is looking at another great awakening!!!  I can only proclaim that I intend to be right there with my Lord doing my part!!!

81 is a great age.  When I saw you in Borger at this summers class reunion I would never have put you at that age level.  Don't fret, just enjoy and stay in tune with Jesus!!!

Your Indian in Jesus,

Chief


08/12/21 07:34 AM #46    

John Wilkinson

Dan,
Thank you for your post and for your questions.  My experience has been that teaching my children to be active followers of Jesus and be active in His chuch was a much more successful endeavor than teaching my grandchildren.  My grandchildren will accompany us to church when they visit, but for many of them that is their only participation.  Unfortunately I cannot give a lot of advice on how to change their priorities.

Regarding whether the church should be involved in the community my response is an emphatic yes.  God gave Moses the instruction th


08/12/21 08:01 AM #47    

John Wilkinson

Dan,
Thank you for your post and for your questions.  My experience has been that teaching my children to be active followers of Jesus and be active in His chuch was a much more successful endeavor than teaching my grandchildren.  My grandchildren will accompany us to church when they visit, but for many of them that is their only participation.  Unfortunately I cannot give a lot of advice on how to change their priorities.

Regarding whether the church should be involved in the community my response is an emphatic yes.  God gave Moses the instruction that His followers should love God with all their might and love their neighbors as much as they love themseves.  Then Jesus came along and said that the most important thing for His followers to do is the same thing, love God and love your neighbor.  And later Jesus told the parable of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25 in which His message is that the absolutely most important thing His followers are to do is to help those who can't help themselves.

The church cannot accomplish these clear instructions without being involved in the community feeding the poor and homeless, advocating for justice for those who have none and many more similar activities.

My wife and I have slowly transitioned over time from our Southern Baptist background to the Methodist church because in our experience Methodista are much more active in ministries to the poor, homeless and those needing justice.

Dan thanks again for a great question.


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