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10/31/18 01:38 PM #28    


Kenneth Cunningham

Dan -

Don't change anything.  Do it your way and they will learn something.  Be sure to send out the web site for the documents.


03/23/19 09:37 AM #29    


Jimmie Darrell Brown

Very sad to hear of the passing of Elgie Seamster. He was a wonderful happy person. Always smiling and friendly to everyone.

06/21/19 07:46 AM #30    


Charles Boydston (Chief) Boyd


My Messiah is Jesus!!!  Donald Trump was a client of mine, a great client, but I do not see him as a Messiah.  Let me share with you about my firms experience with Donald Trump.  We did a a project for him that was on the Missippippi River just North of the Arch.  It was a large hotel and inculded a conference center.  Architects who work with developers have a dilemna when the projects do not happen.  When the projects do not happen there is usually a battle to receive 50% of the Architectural fee for the work done.  The problem on our project was that the city council in St. Louis had a bigger ego than Mr. Trump (I know it is hard to believe but that was the case) and they kept adding infrastructure to his project to the extent that it was no longer a feasible project.  Trump said thanks but no thanks and left.  However, he thanked us for a good job and paid the entire fee without even being hounded about it.  Was he a hard and demanding client, yes but we like hard clients because they tell you what they want, then all you have to do is provide it for them.  The clients who drive us nuts are those who cannot tell us what they want.  I believe that his goal of "Making America Great Again" goes to his understanding of business.  Without a douibt, America is the greatest country the world has ever known.  What made America great and is making it great again is the business climate in our country and the way that that business has impacted not only America but the world!  That is something that Donald Trump knows and understands.  Combine that with his daily bible studies at the White House and you have an unbeatable combination of work with spiritual guidance.  I pray for him and our Nation every day!!!  He is no Messiah, but I do believe that God has chosen him to lead us during these hard times, just like he used Churchill in World War II to lead England and the world.  

Your Indian in Jesus,


06/21/19 05:25 PM #31    


Jimmie Darrell Brown

Charles (Chief) Boyd,

Regarding your statements of your Messiah and President Donald John Trump.....Well said!

07/03/19 05:17 PM #32    

Samuel (Bob) West

Dan your intelect and as one of the premier historians in the U.S.make it difficult and intimidating to express opinions, but since you asked here are a couple of mine.

Growing up in Borger made me very resistant to people who tried to tell me what I should do, think, believe or who tried to bend me to their will or to dominate me..

As to messiahs I never personaly met one.  I especially avoid and distrust politicians.

An old story, but it expresses my belief.

A man took his son to the wise elder of the village and ask if there was a way to know what his son would become as an adult. The wise man said he had a perfect test . He put up three tables and one one he placed a dollar bill, on another a Bible, and on the last a glass of whiskey.He told the father to put his son in front of the tables and that the one his son went to would indicate his future. If he picked up the dollar he wotld be a businesman, conserrvative and perhaps wealthy. If he choose the Bible he would be deeply religious and maybe a member of the clergy. If he chose the whiskey he would be a ner do well, lacking in moral standards and bring a lot of grief to those around him.

The son approached the table. Picked up the dollar and put it in his pocket, put the Bibe under his arm, picked up the whiskey and drank it.The wise man said " on no, he is going to be a politician"

I haven't seen a lot to change my opinion over the years. Our presidents since Eisenhower have not shown me much. :Lyndon gave us Vietnam, and inspite of a lot of very brave men, inclufding classmates and my good friend Digger O'Dell, we lost a lot of good people for nothing. Bush gave us the Mid East and that is still costing us. So I am somewhat jaded.

As to race I remember  when our school was integrated. Issac Robinson came out for football and he was one of the best on our team. On our way to El Paso to play a game we stopped in Portales NM for dinner. Issac was refused service and asked to leave the restaurant. We all got up and walked out with him. The owner could not change his mind quick enough and asked us all to come back. That was the day I understood the color green was more powerful than black, and that sticking up to what was fair was worth the effort.

Our class has had many outstanding and successful men and women. We also have had or share of less shining stars.One of my good childhood friends died in prison. So we have a mix of people top to bottom.

But, lets not speak bad of the dearly departed.

How to make America Great Again?  I don't believe that putting the wealth of our nation in the hands of the top 2 or 3% will get us close. Mexico did that for years and years and never did get Great Again, nor has any country with a small or weak middle class been very great.

I thnk that over the years our country has produced some great leaders in times of crisis but not messiahs, they are outstanding but still human with the same weakness we all have, so I don't worship them, or put them on pedestals, I   have deep respect for them and thanks for what they have done, but if our country evers starts thinking about kings or annointments by God we are in real trouble.

I think what made Borger good was the friendships developed. Friends are there and alway reach out with no questions asked. We all have them and that is one of the most important things we can posses.. When we reach out to help others as best we can, everyone becomes greater. Sounds corny I guess but the friends I am lucky to have helped me and still do. Haven't seen any messiahs get up close and personal.

Now I have shown by limited intelligence, but do appreciate you very much. Bob West



10/01/19 10:19 AM #33    


Robert Poston


Looking forward to your book, which is enroute. Thanks for your sharing and insight.

Best to you and your family.

Bob Poston

04/01/20 02:33 PM #34    


Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Banana bread would be a good use for all those bananas! I only buy two bananas at a time, because I like them fairly green and more than two get too ripe for me before I can get them eaten. In fact, lots of times I choose only a perfect one and eat it in the car on the way home!

Thanks for the good story, Dan!!


04/01/20 03:29 PM #35    

Carmen Evans (Lewis)

Dan, I agree with Edith.  And I have a very good banana bread recipe which my good friend Julie Lauritzen shared with me in 1998.  I will send it to you. Try it sometime and then enjoy it.  

Our neighbors and friends as well as my Mah Jong group, card group and book club group love this bread.  

Our granddaughter ate our second to last slice just a little while ago as she loves it.   Brittani and I will be making pumpkin bread this afternoon because our bananas are not yet ripe enought to be used in said recipe.





04/01/20 08:14 PM #36    


Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Dan, I should add that I never make banana bread or any other kind, but when I tell people I only buy two bananas because otherwise they get too ripe for me, they always suggest banana bread!


04/02/20 01:34 PM #37    

Lorean Holloway (Thompson)

banana pudding made from scratch in microwave in 8 minutes ---delivered to people in jail (quarantined) .Thanks to truck drivers and farmers we still have milk and butter to make this.  

06/18/20 01:27 PM #38    


Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Dan, I guess I'm surprised that someone said that about you. I've always thought you communicated very well, if a bit above my understanding in some instances! To illustrate, I'm am relating a story about my son which I think corresponds with your communication skills. Michael was an extremely talented and knowledgeable computer technician. Actually, he is the one that got our class web site set up originally and gave it such unique qualities that we still enjoy, even though it is now hosted on a different platform. One day, my brother-in-law, asked him a question about something to do with computer issues. When Michael replied to him in his usual fashion (and I do mean usual), Porter responded, "Michael, I do appreciate you answering my question, but I really just wanted a simple answer, not a doctoral dissertation!" All of us who ever asked Michael a computer question, expecting a simple answer, felt the same way as Porter did with his response!!


09/24/20 01:29 PM #39    


Lester Dan Langley

You're right, Edith, as usual. So, I'll pose a simple question for our class. Do you remember which President of the United States declared "only I can fix it" or identified "carnage" as the critical issue and which one affirmed that our benefits and rights come not from the state but from God?

10/01/20 06:53 PM #40    

Audrey Ochs (Powell)

I'm just anxious for the answers.  I always enjoy your "ponderings"!








10/01/20 08:51 PM #41    


Edith Guynes (Stanley)

Donald Trump said only I can fix it and that carmage was the critical issue.

John F Kennedy affirmed that our benefits and rights come not from the state but from God.

11/18/20 09:02 AM #42    


Lester Dan Langley

You are "right on," as the saying goes. Perhaps what is called for is prayer for a nation grappling not only with a pandemic that has afflicted every state and every age group but also a political crisis that has left a scar that will take years to heal. Sadly, the polarization in our politics is as old as the revolutionary crisis of 1775-1776 and the birthing of the republic with the Constitutional Convention of summer 1787, when Benjamin Franklin assured us that we were a republic not a monarchy “if we could keep it.” The republic survived, and so has the nation that was born with the Great War of 1914-1918. That is at risk today, but the division that is most alarming is not between liberal and conservative or between Republican and Democrat but the widening and ominous differences between Fundamentalist and Social Gospel Christians. Once that wound heals, we will again find our way. As the philosopher/theologian Reinhold Niebuhr predicted in a still-relevant book of the early 1950s (THE IRONY OF AMERICAN HISTORY), if this country falls it will not be from an alien enemy but from within, from our arrogance and self-righteousness that consume us. 

11/19/20 11:03 AM #43    

Audrey Ochs (Powell)

Thanks  Dan.  I agree!!


11/20/20 09:47 AM #44    


Robert Kenimer

Dan,  You are right on.  Thanks

11/30/20 01:49 PM #45    


Lester Dan Langley

Thanks. But I sense a frustration at play among my classmates over the current malaise in this country. As a recovering liberal and a reconstructed Democrat, I may be preaching to the BHS Class of '58 "choir" when I say that the Trump or Biden choice in 2020 reminded me of voting either for "Lonesome" Rhodes, as brilliantly played by Andy Griffeth in "A Face in the Crowd," or an undeniably sensitive Catholic Boy Scout. What would I like to see in the 2024 Presidential race? OK, if it is two women, how about Nikki Haley for the Republican and Kamala Harris for the Democratic nominees? And, if you wish two men, here are my choices. For the Republican nominee, Bruce Willis, who can reprise either his role in "Die Hard" or "Pulp Fiction" or "The Sixth Sense." And how about George Clooney for the Democratic nominee? He's married to a lawyer. That's almost as good as being married to a nurse. If everything works out, the first will defend you in court when you get into trouble and the second will give you mouth-to-mouth resuscitation if you're having a heart attack. Just don't cross either one. No man in his right senses wants a woman for an enemy.

12/08/20 02:04 PM #46    


Lester Dan Langley

To all my classmates who may be members of the Trump nation: I'm not at all saddened by the last Presidential election's outcome, but if it is any consolation to you, my professional if not personal judgement is that Trump was NOT our worst President. I'll spare you my convoluted evidence. In thinking about the election and the book I intended to write about "Searching for a Secular Messiah," I decided to scrap that notion and instead write a different book about the American Revolution as a religious war. I'll probably change the title but my first instinct is to call it "Generations: The American Revolution as a Long Religious War." We belong to the Revolution's 8th generation (1950-1975), when both the Cold War and Christian America were born. Maybe writing it will help me. I don't want to go back to a psychologist. I do church on-line nowadays, but it's not the same. I wish I could let go of my past.  Whoever wrote that men kill themselves one way or another got it right. My sisters and my mother understood that. We are what we do, and we just don't do it as well as we used to anymore. Or, as is often said, you know you're old when you are still angry but don't know who(m?) to fight anymore. Merry Christmas. Among other gifts, I'd love to get together with all of you just one more time. Then I won't mind dying, my last feelings about getting a date with a BHS Class of '58 cheerleader!

01/02/21 02:52 PM #47    


Lester Dan Langley

For the first time since NY's eve 1993, when I promised to never again begin a sentence with "If I were you...," I made another proverbial pledge: "It is far better to pray for someone who doubts the promise of John 3:16 than one who disbelieves the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election." I also recognized that I cannot write the book I told you I was going to write because I was trying to mix faith-based evidence with the historian's directive to "tell it the way it happened." So, I'm going to write two books, one for my Sunday school class and a longer, more scholarly, more analytical one for the proverbial informed reader. The first may get me by Saint Peter on Judgement Day; the second ought to satisfy Judge Judy if not the academic reader. The first has the tentative title of "Two Churches, Two Cities, and What the American Revolution Means for Christians." The two churches and two cities are First English Lutheran of Pittsburgh and Sierra Vista United Methodist of San Angelo. Both churches and both cities are very different. (I am guided by the principle that if you want to find similarities, look for differences.) What each of these churches confronts is that age-old dilemma for Christians in measuring what is necessary for salvation: faith or deeds. My effort will be not a rebuttal but an alternative to David Horowitz's book on the war against Christianity. It's the war WITHIN Christianity that matters more. Separating the two books makes it easier for me to work my own life and experience in teaching and writing about revolution and the American Revolution into the story. The second book will be longer, more analytical, peer-reviewed, and argued in a way that will pass muster with both the academic and general reader.  It's tentative title is "Ten Generations: Christianity and the Long American Revolution, 1775 to 2025." But I am going to do the first book first because our problem is not so much the "end of the myth" but the erosion of faith.  

01/03/21 07:31 AM #48    


Charles Boydston (Chief) Boyd


Looking forward to your first book.  Your Indian in Jesus, Chief


01/15/21 08:02 AM #49    


Lester Dan Langley

Dear Donald, if I may. I don't have to remind you about the details of your current situation, so I'll spare you with an analysis. The books on your rise and fall or assessments of the proverbial "whys" and "wherefores" of your presidency will continue to roll off the presses. My own, if I can follow through with my plans, will be one of those books. But it will win no prizes, will probably be self-published and rarely reviewed, and wind up in one of those proverbial slush piles of books libraries strapped for space are ridding themselves of. (Forgive me for ending a sentence with a preposition.) Some of my BHS Class of '58 are doubtless irritated with my comment that you are not this country's worst president. I may have to revisit that judgement. Clearly, I'll have to deal with it. I could be flippant, like Mark Twain, who observed that if so many people seemed to follow Satan's example in their lifestyles––as Protestant ministers were complaining––then perhaps ministers should turn over their pulpits once or twice a year to "hear Satan's side of the story." Nor am I going to detail the evidence refuting your charge that the 2020 election was rigged against you. But I can help you because I believe I understand the inner pain and (I hope) guilt you may be feeling. You lost your soul. You may have lost it a long time ago, perhaps when you were a child. If you've consulted a psychologist, that person may have made a similar assessment. I recognize that accepting such an assessment may have little or no bearing on your political or legal problems. But if you will pray about what I have written it will help you. I know. I've been there.

01/16/21 11:34 AM #50    

John Wilkinson

Dan thanks for your words.

Jesus said, "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." I haven't seen any evidence of Mr. Trump embracing truth or nurturing his dormant soul. So his future wouldn't likely include much joy.

03/18/21 11:00 AM #51    


Lester Dan Langley

Members of my church book club classes and, I sense, my Sunday School Class get irritated with me for persistent references to old movies, mostly, I concede, for one of two possibilities: they haven't seen the movie or they don't see its relevance to the discussion. There was one occasion of unfortunate consequences.  In a casual conversation with a special needs teacher (a woman), I mentioned the movie "Looking for Mr. Goodbar," which is about a special needs teacher who goes bar-hopping at night.  I warned her about streaming the movie. (I left out how the movie ends.) She did look at it, and now I believe she wishes she hadn't. However, on another occasion, I believe I hit the mark. (The biblical scholars among you can tell me if I missed it.)

Luke 22: 1-6 relates how Judas betrayed Jesus for money. The passage states that Satan “entered into Judas.” In the movie, The Exorcist, Satan has “entered into the body” of a young girl, and in the exorcism the older priest dies, probably from heart failure. Downstairs, the younger priest––who has been sent out of the room because he persists in "conversing" with the Devil––assures the mother that her child will not die. When he goes upstairs and sees that the older priest is dead and the “Satanized” girl has freed herself, he goes into a rage and starts choking her, screaming, “TAKE ME” and ‘COME INTO ME.” Satan does, and when the young priest realizes that he is now possessed, he throws himself out of the window and is killed by the fall. At the foot of the stairs, another priest takes his hand and asks for his confession for his "suicide."

One of Mickey Rourke's movies––Angel Heart––where Rourke plays a lawyer who strikes a Faustian bargain with the Devil (Robert De Niro) is classic "religious" film noir. 

03/19/21 07:54 AM #52    

John Wilkinson

Dan, very thought provoking post.  Clearly Judas and the younger priest in the movie had an open door to their heart for Satan to walk through.  I feel that the young man who killed the sex workers in Atlanta also had an open door

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